Wednesday, 25 March 2015

Are you doing AN investment in Stock Market

Some say they involve in stock market is for investment. Is it true? Ask yourself these questions:-

1) Why I buy stock?    

Answer options

a) because i want to make pocket money    

b) because i want to make a lot of money    

c) because i heard my friend makes money from stock market    

d) because i have enough money to invest in stock market    

e) because i want to learn to make money from stock market    

f) because i want to join in the fun    

g) because i dont know where to invest my money   

 h) because i just dont know why i love the stock market    

i) because i love the excitement   

j) because i read analyst reports recommending this stock is good    

k) because my friend recommended this stock is good    

l) because i have hot tips    

m) because buying a 30 cents stock is very cheap. won't die one.

Is any of the answers above is yours?

Next question.

2) Do I understand how the stock market works?

Answer options

a) Yes. Buy low sell high. simple    

b) Yes. I read reports and books. Lots of them    

c) Yes. I know PE, RSI, DY, NTA   

d) Yes. I know about shooting star, hammer, doji, white marubozu, hanging man, morning star, three white soldier, three inside up and whatnot    

e) Yes. Buy on rumour sell on fact    

f) Yes. Pick the phone and call my broker when I get tips    

g) Yes. Buy good company and sell when price up 10%, 20% or 30%    

h) Yes. Buy when everyone is fearful and sell when everyone is greedy   

 i) No. But I will learn along the way

My personal experience to the first question is all the answers above. That was when I first started in stock market. That's why i failed big time in my very first endeavor in stock market. I learned and really learned the hard way. And my personal experience to the second question is all the answers above. Again, that's why i failed big time. I paid my tuition fee as some like to say.

So, what is the real meaning of making AN investment in stock market?

Lets start off with : there is no such thing as investment in stock market which many of us like to believe if we give our self a target price for a particular stock that you have invested in. This is doing a trading mindset. Trading mindset is not an investing mindset. Sounded unorthodox. Yes, it is. UncleZ never a compliance to the norm beliefs. Put your money in a stock for 3 months is not a good investment but still can consider an investment if you exit because of company fundamental has changed so drastically in the span of 3 months. But what the heck with this investment that you have chosen in the first place if the company fundamental could changed so drastically in just 3 months?! So it is not a good investment but still an investment nonetheless. On the other hand, put your money in a stock is not an investment if you set a target price and on top of that with 3 months timeframe. This is doing a stock trading. You trade because you expect the profit will come in 3 months. You don't invest because you expect your target price will profit you in 3 months timeframe. You invest because you know the company will grow over time and that your investment in the company will grow in value. Another thought. You won't call it an investment for targetting RM30 for every RM1,000 you deposited in FD account after the timeframe of 1 year period, don't you?

Stock price move up and down because of human emotion. For example, when a company announces a 100% increase in revenue in its quarterly report. Everyone gets excited. Excitement is emotion. Investment is not a function of emotion. It is a function of the health and future prospects of the company.

Each time people talks about their investment in stock market, I would tell them that they are not doing AN investment if everyday they are watching the computer screen tracking their stocks every minutes. Shouting in excitement when the stock when up 1 cent or 2. Not that shouting in excitement is a bad thing itself, but the mindset behind such action is. I too would be shouting in excitement if my stock went up RM1 in an hour !

So, when to learn the very real meaning of making AN investment in stock market? Probably the best time to learn the real meaning of investment is during bull market. During such time, one does not need much persuasion to draw into the bandwagon of excited crowd. However, the learning doesn't really start when one joined the bull market crowd. The learning starts when the market turns for worse. Believe me, you will learn what really is AN investment from that point. Learning from the hardest way is the best lesson you could ever get.

The next time you are about to click buy, ask your self this, am i doing an investment or trading? If your heart say target price is 30 cents in 3 months and then run. That's good and fine. Atleast you know what you are in for.

I had done all that trading mindset, punting mindset, chasing after stock, tips, contra and whatnot. At the end of the day, you would probably get back to square one from where you have started. The only thing you get is .... heart attack.

Good luck


  1. Could not agree more with you. I am one of those who has experienced those unfortunate events of severe losses due to stock tradings. I am still trying and looking forward for a permanent change of habits... Believing more in stock INVESTMENT rather than trading... My only issue is to learn and understand the criteria of stocks suitable for my INVESTMENT. Appreciate if you could further coach your readers on the techniques and the criteria to look at in identifying the suitable stock to invest in from the pool of available stocks in the Malaysian stock market... Why I am asking this!!!!! Well, I have also had the experience of being tricked into buying some stocks in KLSE believed to be the jewel in the ocean and fit to be called one initially but out of the blue turned out to be the spoiler of my heart with repetitive poor performances and fail ventures... This is just to show that there is more I need to learn from you in order to improve my stock picking skills for my INVESTMENT... Hope you don't mind sharing them withbyour readers.. Thanks..

    1. The hardest thing to learn is not the complicated technical analysis formulas that one can be found in textbooks. It is the empirical formula called patience. It is the key to successful stock market investment. Without it even one has the sharpest mind of great stock pick will not yield desirable and consistent results.

      I have read countless great textbooks, technical and non-technical, throughout my investing life and in the end, I came to realise that the very one thing that many people lack of in stock investment is patience. It took me years to understand and appreciate this. That is why i always stressed one must have patience, persevere, trust and conviction in stock investment. Yes. Each of this word is about human behaviour. Master it and only then talk about fundamental analysis, technical analysis, stock pick and timing. Case in point, how many would have patiently hold on to Presbhd long enough to achieve extreme profit from it ? It doesn't matter if you have held onto a stock for very long time despite making less paper profit, but the patience that you have developed subconsciously within you to keep that stock is already a good start.

      By the way, the worst enemy of patience is distraction. Think about it.

      Good luck.

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  2. Great advice!Simple and straightforward..the UncleZ style.TQ Sir!

  3. One question you ever do 'cut loss' on your stocks in the event of a major correction of say 10% or more ?
    Sometimes prices and volumes do tell us some 'inside story' on the stock that fa of past financial data does not provide.